Defeats On Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Not excessively supporting.
Christy!
Wish I held something more gay today, Raven. But it is what it is, and I’m juggle an ill menage on top of it today.
Anyone else want a cupper afternoon tea? Simply got a can of Darjeeling…
Thanks Christy, sign the request.
sign
Feingold - smokin’ one time once more…
CSPAN2
hi christy.… i’ve mailed both my senators and named their nj business offices … really never talked to them - merely their staff members who assured to go through along my ideas… its acquiring grievous for existent!!
…lifts paw
I’ve told it earlier and I’ll state it over again. I realize no account for this frightful conduct on the constituent of Democrat former than blackmail, blackmail deducted from the months of illegal listenning in, that must have pored not only on suspected terrorists, but as well fellow members of the political resistance. Would such a tactics have been beyond the vision of Karl Ramble and Fellowship?
Feingold:
A tragical licking… an abdicaton of this body’s obligation to stand up up for the regulation of law.”
EPU from last post-Boy You as they tell here in cattleman country-I am good and genuinely riled off.
In this dark nighttime of hour interval I tell full morning-went represented guitar until 3 this morn,
Decent input Kirk Murphy-from old station.
Huffy would not excatly draw my state,
these posturing poor puff up popinjays peeing all all over themselves with their self of import excrementitious utterings get me want to use up a fall and prick them but I am afraid of being get the better of by the stinking fetor that would result.
plus it is the perfect image.
You cognise I’m not dissin you!
I have an enquiry for the Senators:
Wherefore are they giving up my polite autonomies and essentially belying the fourth amendment without locomoting thru the out gestures of reversing a Constitutional Amendment?
I cognize, I merely wish I had got some full word. SIGH
I have to concord with Atrios this forenoon on elective functionaries:
Overly a lot of Democrat merely do not have the value we conceive of they do, and it lets them off the crotchet to a fault a great deal to take for granted they’re merely craven citizenry who need to get returned alternatively of big citizenry who do not share our value.
US Senate is useless - turn my attending nowadays to The Business firm - petition sign - do not cognise how a good deal retentive I can have observance a few full Senators pissin’ into the current of air…
I believe Atrios makes a full item when he tells that it could be as simple as they do not understand the numbers on this like we do. Which would explicate a batch on why it’s been such an uphill climb for Feingold, Dodd and society to get existent grip on the regulation of law issues.
I hope you do not get ill to a fault…Mr. LS merely of late had got a horrifying grippe, and someway I made not get it…so hopefully you wo not either. Hope your household feels better shortly…(existent chicken soup…)…full fate!
Give thanks you for provision the request so rapidly and give thanks you for all that you do. I language it and directed it on to ally and menage.
With the FISA debacle today it’s appartent that the Senate is nothing more than a collegiate male childs and young women club. They stand for nothing demur for resting in the full favour of their prestigious workfellows. They are poor. It’s getting down to seem like the only fashion to reconstruct constitutional republic is some other rotation but then gyrations uprise from an indignant people. American are no retentive citizens but only consumers. A land of consumers care small for constitutional republic as retentive as the ledges are stocked with at Wal Market.
Today I enquire, how are we to be cultured and benignant in our communicating with thee fucks we call our congress work force and adult female, our senate workforce and adult female, when, in point of fact, we should exercise our constitutional privilege and throw them figuratively to the having intercourse curb. Help me extinct here please, language of wiseness when I bump lyric a pallid palimpsest to litigate.
Christy or any of you lawyers, perchance you could yield me your use up on my questions: Is not it basically unconstitutional to fundamentally contradict the fourth amendment as they’re making with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act alteration? If it is, why have not any of the Senators conveyed that up, and too, if it is, what would it occupy to get the Sovereign Tribunal to state so one time they pass it? If a fresh disposal nominates an AG with grit, could the novel AG press an example to throw off extinct the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act fix on the footing that it contradicted Amendment Four of the Measure of Right fields without the correct process to meliorate the constitution? What am I lacking here?
petition sigend. In my existent gens no less!
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court is moving providentially. They are right, inadvertence IS US Congress”S JOB. They are as well right about the seperation of powerfulness issue and the inadvertant declassification issue.
I marvel at their power to reist the enticement to trespass. It occupies existent subject field in this clime.
Bad to be so slow. Makes this demonstrate Senate bill, when ruined, go to the Business firm? Or do they have their own start from scratch variation?
By the manner a small honey or whiskey or both is full for a curative.
I but named my senator’s office ….once more. This would be Sen Tim Samuel Johnson, SD. I inquired for something in any case a sort letter on this issue as I do not realize what Sen Johnson is standing up for and why makes it seem that he stands for the telecommunications and corporal involvements and not those of “we the citizenry” I explicated that I offerred for his campaigns in the past and I have to oppugn my support as I do not cognize who he is any longer. I declared that the early affair that stung me to no end was the patent fact that he considers we are afraid. I told that he underestimates what we are got of and our own posture of fictional character. My final question was to inquire, where was Sen Johnson’s military posture of fictitious character?
I will belike get some other sort letter.
Feingold has taken that up, repeatedly, in the SJC and on the Senate flooring. And yes, there will likely be fourth amendment challenges to this if it passes altogether.
(((Christy)))
(((Peanut)))
(((Mr. Reddhead)))
By the manner a small honey or whiskey or both is full for a therapeutic.
In the teatime…..
Where were the major jobs with rule of law among Democrat earlier Shrub? Is not this a fresh sickness? On this issue, I but ca not help believing that there are Democrat extinct there who, like Shrub, do not want publicised what has been observed by the illegal wiretapping. And thus makes Shrub transubstantiate his opposites into his allies.
I cognize it’s paranoid, but I idea I was paranoid back in the early 70s about Nixon. Ha!
Language and cut into
In that instance the challenge for us is
How do teach them to realize this issue (and various early of import numbers) the mode we do?
If respect for the regulation of law is not obvious to them, how do we teach it to them?
With a h/t to the Montgomery County MD Green Blog,
“I’m ill and hat of only picking up the big word. Wherefore ca not soul talk about the full intelligence?” Skipper Duke of Windsor Ian Smith, Titanic, 11:40 PM, Apr 12, 1912.
Apocryphal no doubt, but someways appropriate.
Sign.
I let DiFi cognize what I idea about the Senate’s vote, earliest.
!@#USD %^&*s. Can we set up for the Potomac River to be re-routed through the Capitol Building?
Blue-Dog Democrat are a larger job that are the Republican.
A blue-dog incumbent has to be trounced in a primary where he/she is the incumbent. And then the competition has to shell the Republican campaigner.
let’s play “the second of trueness”. if you could enquire one question of anyone, who would you pick and what question would you inquire?
Barbara Pugilist looks like a normal human being. Wherefore ca not there be more like her in the Senate?
Hawkshaw Cheney: Under what setting wo not you go away office on 1/20/09?
Unremarkably, if Congress passes a measure that is unconstitutional and is got law, at some detail, individual challenges the constitutionality of that bill in court.
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is a spot more slippery, because you have to have standing up to litigate and by it’s very nature, you probaly wo not cognise if you do have standing up. Sigh
Christy at #28, Thanks for the reply. I enquired where I’d got a line that, and I idea it was right now, but I made not cognize it was Feingold that referred it. I idea perchance Dodd, but I made not conceive they told it on the Senate flooring. For sure is fascinating that the Senate we elective to stand for us in fashioning the Pentateuch has moved so far all over the logical argument to interrupt the very Torah they got, and likewise to fit a Chief Executive to too break the Torah and trash the Organic law.
LHP,
I believe Ann was request if a novel AG would have standing up. It appears to me like a possibleness, since the AG is taxed with applying the law. Would not that mean the AG would have standing up to dispute a law considered to be unconstitutional?
outstanding detail - why buzzword these dems vote as dems? they unquestionably need to be primaried if thats an intelligence…
Only got word Rangel On Thom Hartman tell just this.
my gooper repp is so far up Bush’s butt that to name his office insults my intelligence agency.
former thoughts?
My representative is Peter Hoekstra.
Yea. Fat chance.
Still, I sign the request and indited in the remarks that Mr. Hoekstra held got copiously clear that he held no trust in the American juridical scheme or the regulation of law.
And do not even mention Debbie Stabenow…I voted for her reluctantly last in 2006, but this plus the failure bill is overly a great deal.
I’m so down.
Sign. Thanks, Christy, for your outstanding piece of work!
I noticed that the request stated, “We urge Democratic Business firm fellow members to stand up steady slow the measure they went through…” After making a small inquiry, I saw that five Republican too voted for the Reconstruct act. In all probability would not hurt to promote them, excessively.
Dodd up today on CSPAN2
Senator Dodd merely kept a league call with a figure of newspersons and bloggers. He was disheartened enough by the issues of the old votings to have determined that what makes the most sense at this point in the US Senate debate is to wrap up this up, after all opponent Senators have held the chance of their tell, and to get this to the Business firm and the league commission.
From McJoan
sen dodd upnow
AG is said to apply the law, not challenge the law. AM I lacking something about this question?
AG can challange a province law the struggles with a federal law, but how would the AG have standing up to gainsay a federal law? That would get AG more down than Congress and Prsident united.
Am I mistaking something here?
Dodd!
he is braved out but he acquired punked by Thomas Reid on UC.
…There’s a very interesting missive [.pdf] that Interpreters Dingell, Markey and Stupak directed yesterday prodding their Senate workfellows to pass up telecommunication immunity. It tells that the President is profferring Congress a mistaken choice by ligature the immunity issue to the balance of the FISA bill. It adverts to an statement ostensibly fashioning the unit of ammunitions that undercover work causes would make an economical encumbrance on the telephone services - as if it is the occupation of Congress to lighten up the telephone companies load, grrrrrrrrr! It avers that the Disposal, “muzzled and threatened” the phone companionship that precious to afford Congress the info it was quest.
The Dingell-Markey-Stupak letter reasons,
The Administration’s outstanding uncomfortableness with public examination, even so, leads us to conceive that Congressional inadvertence is all the more necessary in this instance. For that reason, we urge you to get together with us in declining ex post facto immunity until every Fellow member that looks for info to inform his or her vote on this issue has had enough info to get a sound public insurance determination.
Uncle Tom
Regretful to be so raging and thanks for the instruction…..I believe.
I am one unbalanced motherf747er, huffy as snake pit and ineffectual to conceive consecutive and I have never been capable to rest inside the line of reasonings, so when I calm down and say all that is articulated here, I have to fee my hat to all and Christy, thanks for what you do as I have told lots of multiplication.
only unloaded on Bayh’s office.. (I believe that, upthread, I cited pissin’ into the current of air?)
Buh-bye, Bayh.
John Glenn makes a full watching about this today in Update III to Amnesty Four hours for Shrub and lawbreaking telecommunications.
There’s an enticement, especially on hours like today, to speak about what propels “Democrat” - as though they’re a monolith moving conjointly with the like driving forces. They’re not. Some do what they do because their only concern is a craven desire to be returned. Others consider in one matter but are afraid to vote that manner (because they’ll be named Delicate on Affright, Liberal, etc.), patch others still are acted upon by Ring road money and former ethnical pressure levels. Some are motivated by a combining of those needs.
But a large number of elective Democrat vote in favor of the radical Shrub schedule for a very uncomplicated ground: they conceive in it. Disdain the splendid “D” after their name, their views are materially identical from the shaping singles of the Shrub junto on the tonality issues. A vast part of Congressional Democrat are fellow members of the corrupt, way Bypass political organization first, and everything only postdates that, and they thus embrace and support the value of that constitution.
how makes “makes sense to wrap up it up” = I will fillibuster?
That would be decent
No, Dodd acquired what he could under very hard fate - letting in a large windowpane of clip to explicate why this bill runs contrary to the regulation of law. And why going through it is an scandalizing lapse.
We ca not ever win every voting. But we can get certain that when the early face wins, it’s as afflictive as possible - and that their sell-out inclinations are open for all the existence to realize. They want to spread over Hawkshaw Cheney’s stern, then they have to do so with a big, fat spotlight on their complicity. Dodd and Feingold conveyed the halogen lightbulbs for the good afternoon.
A blue-dog incumbent has to be crushed in a primary where he/she is the incumbent. And then the competitor has to trounce the Republican nominee.
That is the core group statement I held end the 90s when tilt with former Progressives about Bill Hilary Rodham Clinton and all the early name calling that never look to go away. I set about observing a mutual topic from shielders of “Moderatism,” where they’d tell, …”at least we have a Dem in there, so what’s the concern?”
Ugh. That swarm me balmy as these alleged Dems would keep to sellout our body politic and Organic law all over and all over once again. It is this satisfaction inside Liberal circles that the “centrist” counts on. This is one reason the whole Blue matter is cared a dreaming come up dead on target for me.
Give thanks God the Blogoverse came up about when it made. In the 90s, I was got to believe I was unbalanced since no one of all time appeared to see this, but in one case we all could start linking up with each early, it was clear there are a lot of of us extinct there.
As evidenced by the recent losings of John Laesch and Mark Pera nevertheless, two class Blue nominees, it is uncluttered we genuinely have to get more citizenry on board with us to lay a lead on the Bush-dogs for full.
Its clear that this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act debacle has to be set forthright at the pes of Harass Thomas Reid. If he had got started out with the SJC bill, this likely would not have taken place. And his scene the needful ballots exactly to ask the 3 the opposites of immunity would not get, as so ably described by John Herschel Glenn Jr Greenwald far better than I could perchance hope to do, too is forthrightly set at his human foots. Nowadays its up to Nancy “subpoena powerfulness is of import but impeachment is murderred the tabular array so that our subpoenas can be unheeded” Pelosi to procedurally foreclose telcom immunity acquiring through the Firm. Likeliness of that occurrent? Slim. Its clear that the Democratic “leading” in both the Business firm and Senate is completely ineffectual and needs to be superseded.
Chalk it up to desirous conceiving, I guess.
Dodd makes the item that the telecoms’ “loyal sense of obligation” stopped up some clip ago when the govt made not give the measure…
heh.
Jump on the Obama-bus, adult male. It’s an entirely great topographic point. It’ll yield you a high that’ll last for calendar months. All your worries will melt down away.
Then work like hellhole to get some Blue USA campaigners elective!
more and BETTER!
I say it’s time to compose, phone, or fax Congress and the culture mediums the public’s outrage at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act debacle. My cynicism turns daily, nonetheless. How efficacious have all of Conyers, Leahys and Waxman’s letter of indignation been? How makes commonwealth end? Not with a knock but with a whine.
whoa
I named the DNC to vocalise my concern and dismay with the horrid transition of the F.I.S.A. Act with the immunity provision.I was not even afforded the good manners of evincing my view.The telephone was hung up up on me.
I am indignant. These citizenry do not stand for our interests.A aimed campaign of blogheads needs to react to this outrage. I have been a womb Democrat, but no more. These citizenry do not stand for the Democratic political party that I in one case cognized.These citizenry need to be learnt an object lesson.They need to be got the better of and most of them select to vote for this because they are in taut subspecies and idea this was a safe place.We need to direct a substance we need to begin a move. Who cares?
Entirely OT:
Huh. Never cognized this. Clinton’s Culture mediums mortal is wed to Saint Matthew Cooper.
Damn, DeeCee is such an incestuous topographic point. We need to break up that racket.
Obama/Jonathan Edwards!
How lots of of the 8 amendments have been voted on?
I cognize mortal that entirely holds with you, and she could use your help. Nowadays.
Decent zinger! It sucks in what Reid made to him.
and there you have it in a nutshell….. 1 or 2 levels of detachment in the dc ring road and they all play ring about a rosie… and we get screwed!! no early manner to state it.
Dodd:
“The individual big of intrusion of privateness in our state.”
Nationalism? “They stopped up assembling the information… when the federal regime stopped up gainful them.”
Yup. They practice notecase nationalism.
And if the telecommunications are of all time looked into and set up shamefaced of incursive our seclusion, would the penalisation be anything more than a smack on the radiocarpal joint? I doubt it very a great deal.
Bluetooth a demonstartion in D.C. is named for- what telecommunication companionship declined
to take part in this debacle ?-we all need to sign to that divine service. The web log police say this as we pass.
If we do not do something about it before long, we’ll all be “ashes…ashes…we all fall down.”
more or less Oftentimes - earlier I put down on Lugar - is the final vote on FISA to occupy place heretofore today?
looseheadprop at #52
February 12th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Is there a law against a citizen actioning every Senator that voted for such a blatantly unconstitutional law as this Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act fix with retro immunity. After all, they are conflicting our polite rightfields!
All of you are composition about how thing will be disputed, how we can quiet fight, trusting for grounded sermon when I realise shit and the land I proudly functioned go into the armored combat vehicle by the expiry of a thousand cuts so I will maintain meter reading what you have to tell in the promise that my my glass gets half full-he told with a face, cognizing he wo not stop the fight
Full items Bonker@69..+1 almost-forgive my cynicism
I simply pent to Senator Dodd, with my bass thanks for what he’s making.
How’s this? Obama/Dodd?
Makes ended and illimitable Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act surveillance by regime (Protect The States Act) mean that republics die with or without a whine?
No let Dodd stay in the Senate where he can hold the next President honorable, or at least attempt to maintain him/her honorable. If he goes forth the US Senate, the R regulator of CT acquires to supersede him.
person told in an earliest thread’s comments…. ” we’re pee in the air current” - i’m afraid thats dead on target b/c we have no leading appearing extinct for us - only care about corporal involvements International Maritime Organization
Dugged and sign.
TPM Mudslinger stationed this from Dodd…
After the measure passes in the US Senate, as is anticipated late today or tomorrow, the measure would head to a league. There, conferees from both business firms will seek to hash extinct the important deviations betwixt the Firm and US Senate variations, the number of retro immunity chief among them.
Notwithstanding, Dodd articulated, if the final bill rising from that powwow makes comprise retro immunity, he stated he’d “perfectly” filibuster that bill; he’d use “any fomites we can” to halt it.
The Senate held “only canonic” the “individual big intrusion of privateness in the story of the land,” he articulated. When enquired why he idea so plenty of Dem senators held cut through all over, he answerred: “Regrettably, those who are recommending this belief that you have to yield up autonomies in order to be more secure are ostensibly dominant. They look to be convincing citizenry that you’re at risk politically or we’re at risk as a state if we do not yield up rights.”
Jurisprudence AGAINST litigating? Not that comes up to take care. But what would be the footing of your claim? You have to have de jure cognoscible reason of activeness.
Besides, under th Address and Debates Article, fellow members of Congress have ever been immune from suit for the thing they tell on the flooring of their repsective sleeping accommodation. I do not cognize whether a yea or Elchingen would fall under that, as fought to actuall debate and speechifying
Makes ended and measureless FISA surveillance by authorities (Protect Act) mean that commonwealths die with or without a whine?
Any puling will be recorded and victimised against you in a kangaroo court.
Christy, give thanks you for being here, even with an ill house. It’s not an official Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act mean solar day without you.
(btw - I went forth an email for you - you’re fussy, so, when you have clocked. thanks over again.)
That’s decent, but if the Business firm entirely caves and only passes the Senate edition, Dodd makes not get some other chance.
Perhaps I’m a spot excessively down to be predicting, but I afford the Firm only a 50/50 chance of not entirely undermining and this being all over by Thursday.
It’s obvious that an examination on the Fundamental law needs to be yielded to anyone using to lam for the US Business firm or Senate. A existent one, and a strict one. If they do not pass, they’re not capable to escape. If they pass and are elective, and vote to sabotage the Fundamental law, an contiguous election needs to be kept to supercede them. The first time.
Job is, would US Congress of all time pass such a measure?
In a followup sentiment (FISC Docket No.: MISC. 07-01), the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court has once again poled the number of outwit by the Shrub Disposal on categorization questions back to US Congress.
Where the hell on earth are all those “activist Judges” when we need them?
interesting say about Hilary Rodham Clinton/monsanto
I have the like job, in spades. MY gooper repp is Uncle Tom Kail, chairman of the RNCC!
when you talk about standing up, is not this a state of affairs that could use the originative conceiving through in the example of “Should Trees Have Standing up?”
And I mean from all that we cognize, we cognize all of our communication theory have been tranced and analyzed(at the least elctronically) therdfore mechanically our rights were profaned.
How made FRG cope with the Nazi Torah pose in place under Der Fuhrer? Maked they simply scrap the authorities and start all all over, or made they withdraw the impairment? It is, in fact, regrettably very like.
Because it’s secret, we ca not cognize if our communication theory have been vacuumed and because we can’t/do not cognize, we do not have standing up and we ca not have standing up without cognising.
Catch-22 comes up to world of 2008
Outstanding thought a small perker upper conceive I will occupy you up on the cancelled and brew a throne up!
It’s ever black earlier dawn…so
“direct your human foots to the cheery face of the street”.
Christy you are making a howling reaction to a tough state of affairs. I was felicitous to be capable to subscribe the postulation to reconstruct of America and forward it to 10 for today.
I have an thought that may be utile…can we inquire each of the critters that voted “incorrect” to explicate their vote to us their elements so we can get THE Example?
We have the complete list with their votes we could enquire that list from the last Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in the Firm to get through most requisite or what their place may be. I feel if we all place in X amount of clip on this stick out daily we may germinate impulse for a better resultant.
Give thanks you for acquiring John Glenn to the tabular array: this is grand word and so profligate.
Whack! Whack! Whack!
No, I’m locution there’s a legitimate fashion extinct of that catch-22. We but have not idea of it as yet.
That was the sound of my head slamming onto the keyboard
looseheadprop at #86
Feb 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
“I do solemnly imprecate (or confirm) that I will support and support the Organic law of the Joined Provinces against all foes, strange and domesticated; that I will deliver dead on target religious belief and dedication to the like; that I use up this responsibility freely, without any genial reserve or purpose of equivocation; and that I will good and dependably discharge the responsibilities of the office on that I am about to get in.”
How about not executing their swearword of office?
Gasp.
“Sovereign Tribunal Justness Antonin Scalia spurned the belief that US courts have any control all over the activities of American military personnel at Guantanamo Embayment, reasoned that torture of affright political detainees is not prohibited under the US Fundamental law and took a firm stand that the high court has no responsibility to move as a moral beacon for former body politics.”
Sign and directed to ally, Christy!
I’m struggling for no early ground than to cognize that yielding up is what they want us to do. And that’s reason enough for me to hold moving!
Hi Christy, hope all of you get good before long !
Simply a proffer, please get the request an completely novel station so that it acquires more notice and we can further others to digg it, so that it travels viral.
Public pressure has to be conveyed to birth on the Firm, so they do not cave to this evildoing like the Senate made.
Am I beeped off about this? Oh no, not at all
Could we start electing Senators who are voguish enough to retrieve their swearing of office?
I language.
“Yield us back our rights. Right Nowadays.”
Good, the only citizenry who have got it extinct of the Gimmick22 made so when the gov’t f*ck’d up and let go of info to attorney by mistake positive that they’d been surveyed. And then tested to lay claim state arcanums and stuf the jinni back into the bottleful. I consider that’s one of the reasosns the Telephone services have been so raging on this as they acquired picked up.
Yes. With John Glenn doing work with us, our vocalisation is magnified.
I’ve a throne of Commonwealth of Tea’s Decaffeinated coffee Pomegranate tree Green Afternoon tea to partake in.
Peradventure this has been inquired. If this abhorrence passes is it possible to invoke to the tribunals. Yea, I cognise, Roberts court mindset up and down the argumentation…but what are the branchings if it’s stated unconstitutional?
I’m so disconcerted that I ca not even write an ordered missive to the editor in chief of my local paper. Cognizance Salazar was double elective to be the Lawyer General of the province of Centennial State. You would conceive that that could connote he gave care about implementing the law, but based on his votes today, you would be incorrect. Two months from nowadays when his condition runs out, I am moving to call back this solar day and work very difficult to supervene upon him.
Named Lugar’s office.
advised to the staff member that if the Senator is so unconcerned about 4th Amendment right, I’d broaden an open invitation to him to take the air into court with me on any afforded mean solar day on a 4th, search and ictus issue, and let him say the justice “Good, yea, it’s obvious that the military officers profaned the law, but I’m convinced that their Black Maria were in the right place, so why do not we only bury that”?
And then, I said the staff member, we’d only sit down back for a minute and wait to understand how tenacious it would use up for that judge to zap the instance, bounce his butt extinct of judicature, and file an ailment with the Corrective Commission…
They occupied my name, posting address, e-mail address, and home phone number.
But sayin’…
That’s the tag every clip if you study history-acquiescence in the idea that you can command those that want powerfulness even as you afford it to them.
h/t Naomi Wolf
we cognise all of our communication theory have been fascinated and canvassed
Open root rotation as tw3k spoke about two duds back is one answer. The cyberspace community of interests is very originative. Open root is a style of edifice and pulling off programming that is of all time germinating. An open origin rotation would pose in place programs that would hold us from being spotted on. It is struggling fire with fire. The net community of interests is so huge that any adjustments and inventions the regime and/or the telecommunications can get would be invalidated in hours.
Proposition: Direct the request to the Obama and Hilary Rodham Clinton campaign citizenry…they direct extinct mails to everyone on their lists all the clip, possibly they’ll direct extinct the postulation overly.
Dodd acquired punked by Thomas Reid, when Thomas Reid declined to honour his hold on this bill. Note that Reid had got honoured every early clutch from either face.
Direct the postulation to Dodd’s office, he has an immense posting list…and Kennedy’s to a fault.
“…that torture of panic political detainees is not prohibited under the US Organic law…”
Drafting and quartering is not named either. Is that too okay?
These common people will go to any duration, even so absurd, to reach their authoritarian fantasies, wo not they?
Very potent camomile afternoon tea would be the tag…calm me doooown.
Get good Christy, as I am acquiring what you have-does it travel crossways the ozone?
And Kerry’s office to a fault.
Simply a proffer, please get the request an altogether fresh station so that it acquires more notice and we can promote others to digg it, so that it moves viral.
You can digg the existent postulation here!!!
Thanks Smgumby … making it today !
Forgive my ignorance but I am not pelvic arch to Digg-help?
Will fain heighten this small computer virus.
I’ve supplied a nexus at my place. Mightiness convey one or two more folk all over here, you never cognise.
I believe a category on the Organic law should be mandated in high schools.
Repubs have no job mandating “under God” to the Toast, so I’m certain they’d have no job ballot to have a mandatory family on Fundamental law.
Although maybe not, since that’s such a Liberal document…you cognise, only but what of America was set up on. Move along here….nothing to realise.
Quest was the clench extinct, and their CEO shortly all over up in jail, IIRC.
yep, thanks!
Shortly after I erudite Pursuit told no, I well to switch over all my service to them… …not uncommitted in my country (demur basic phone).
Today months posterior, still not uncommitted in my country.
But that’s OK, since my congressional repps do not hear to me, it is a decent idea that somebody in the authorities cares enough to take heed…
Blog: Accuse calls jam Conyers’ phones
Uncle Tom
They occupied my name, posting address, e-mail address, and home phone number.
Welcome to about a dozen watch lists, I hope you do not have to wing to a fault ofttimes.
The cyberspace community of interests is so immense that any alterations and inventions the regime and/or the telecommunications can get would be avoided in hours.
And since it is a theme that is nowadays spread over by State Arcanums, it is not a far stretch for open origin to be reckonned undercover work and traitorous.
As my part to act in this play I distinct to center on the money. So I composed some of the top phone company fiscal psychoanalysts. The aces who get cited in the Fresh House of York Time and WSJ and enquired them.
1) “How very much money will acquiring immunity relieve the telephone services in fines?”
2) “Which executive directors will stave off any kind of criminal or polite judicature example if they get immunity?”
These two questions will say us a heap about the sum of money of money and free energy that will be used on the endeavor to get immunity.
Will they pass 10 000 000 to salve the clip and cost of a USD 200 000 000 bucks law suit that would tie up EXECs for calendar months? You bet.
Nowadays will any of the business organization subdivision of the written document look at this angle? No. Wherefore not? Is it not big enough? Mayhap they all cognize it is a through business deal. Perhaps they will state the stock bearers that they used up care of this small job victimisation their authorities dealings budget so they should not worry about the stock price. If so, it would be interesting to discover them go on record how a good deal that cost them. So that the residual of the macrocosm can realise that they cognized they were incorrect and they exhausted what they needful to gain.
Finantial psychoanalysts pridefulness themselves on observing what could be a “material case” that would help or hurt the stock. Were they stated that “immunity was in the base?” (I inquired that question overly.)
Nowadays if individual in the insistence treasured to draw close this issue from some other slant (not the “Affright!” Dem v. Repp! Shrub with no Warrants!) and merely postdate the money that would be exsanguinous as good as let out simply how dangerous the telephone services were occupying this and how far they were bequeathing to go.
What we do not have is a consecrated squad of lobbyists contending THEIR lobbyists. It would be decent if there was a grouping of citizenry whose job it is to get the telephone services to obey the law could step in, but I guess that group has early precedencies.
are you advising that I use up this as a badge of -honor?
Or that I would for some ground presume that I’m not already on some scarey lying with lists?
feh.
I cognised that Thomas Reid would deal extinct … how can that adult male look at himself in the mirror ?
You are a treasonist to , Hassle Thomas Reid !
Ca not open origin be anon?
We ca not ever win every balloting. But we can get certain that when the early face wins, it’s as sore as possible - and that their sell-out inclinations are open for all the universe to understand.
Maybe my large defeat in all of this is the fact that the whole affair has travelled for the most part exposed. And, in so far as their was insurance coverage, the insurance coverage was filled with inaccuracies, falsities, and gross prevarications; witness today’s WSJ editorial. Possibly some groupings like MoveOn should occupy extinct advertizements to get what has taken place into public notice. I for one would like those who voted for this to give in a heartfelt way for trample our rights. Someway we need to get some light on this affair.
Dishonor? Not at all. We all should go into this with both oculus open and agnize that this is not travelling to be pretty or orderly in any manner. We are locomoting into this with what can only be equated to the endangerments that were interpreted by the Origination Begetter when they fought back the former Saint George. All of our cash in hand, all of our autonomies, and all of our human relationships with our houses and allies are at stake here.
Let there be no semblances as to how far this may go. We need to make up one simply how a good deal we are leaving to pose on the line of reasoning for the interest of our state.
Leahy up on C-SPAN 2.
thanks!
Yes, in use. All the same, the open origin motion is proclaimed on an power to cooperate with early software engineers to make the open root code. That communicating occupies place all over the Net, and is supplied by those like telephone companies that are on the verge of getting immunity.
So, the tonality is bumping a mode to wing under the radiolocation.
Stand up!! Yes!!!!!!! and in the language of Gouge Vanguard Exell..Fuck ‘em
… could I advise a democratic car put in carnivals … no one would be the judicious …
Give thanks you my ally
Per John Herschel Glenn Jr Greenwald’s Update III:
The mistake line of reasoning in the Ring road are not mainly betwixt Republican and Democrat but betwixt those who support the core group value of our political organisation (as mused by the Shrub disposal) and those who don’t. Through a convex alignment of both Democrat and Republican, the pro-establishment forces have a potent, clear and easy bulk, and that’s why the most radical Shrub measures go along not only to dominate, but - as today - do so easy.
The gangway has locomoted, and I fear that our left nominees are not on our face of it. Maybe we can get the to hit crosswise the gangway and select a progressive for VP by keeping our support surety the manner the conservativists are making with McCain.
Do not beat out a bushed electric battery. 
I once again retell Arianna Huffington’s remark on Bill Maher last season:
Bury BIPARTISANSHIP until we get free of the law surf in US Congress and elsewhere (1600), we can get alll “two” when the nutcases are Kaput!
HERE HERE!
Gestural and directed to my allies but no point in vocation my representative Joe Knollenberg. The only affair to do with him is backed up Gary Simon Peters in November. I’m locomoting to name Pelosi even though there is in all likelihood no point in making that either.
LEAHY is all Shaked ON! He’s copping the inside information pretty hard! Full FOR HIM!
FUCK BIPARTISANSHIP
yea. THERE IS THAT! and i hold!
lol
“Their rule is no answerability.” - Leahy. GO, Pat!
give thanks you, and what an class mention. Nick Vanguard Exell, a hard-ass, getting to and deadly small item guard, as was I, though, apparently, to a less extent.
I loved that one!
Leahy: We do not protect ourselves if we do not protect our rights.
AG is said to implement the law, not challenge the law. AM I lacking something about this question?
AG can challange a province law the struggles with a federal law, but how would the AG have standing up to dispute a federal law? That would get AG more down than Congress and Prsident united.
Am I mistaking something here?
Good, LHP the ultimate Federal Jurisprudence IS the Fundamental law. Oddly enough, the original use of Presidential Sign language Arguments was to function notice to US Congress that a President of the would not obey an Unconstitutional law went across by US Congress…and that if US Congress cherished to oblige him to do so…good occupy it to the Tribunals.
So a President could say the Atty General to disobey Congress and to go along to postdate what he conceived was a Constitutional law.
Leahy request that the voting use up place at 5:30 today.
If votes extinct its exemptions, the terr’ists win.
Simply sayin’
OT: Not certain what’s occurrent with Alice Paul Krugman, but nowadays Hillary’s exploitation his quotes in an ad. Overly big she could not use Bill’s Sec of Labour, Robert Reich who has been differring with Krugman about this wellness care marriage proposal stuff.
Krugman has been a very of import vocalization on so plenty of issues. I wish he’d yield the Obama-hating a balance though.
I’ve been believing and hearing more about the authorisation issue, and I’m confident it’s not full to have an authorization. I do not realise why I should be constrained to partake in in blemished scheme, and there are early PhD economic experts former than Krugman that concord with that appraisal. Us salubrious citizenry or those who select traditional redress are not the job…it’s the extremal amount of profit-taking at every level, that then furthers all sorts of unecessary interventions, since that increases profit and that’s what makes prices so high. Obama makes not have mandates in his plan, and I like that a good deal. Hopefully we can get to a Canada-style scheme in my time.
ya cognize, pretty before long here, I’m gonna be capable to do the entire, alphabetised, list of Senators, from remembering…
a sign of geekdom, to be certain.
The job is that Bushco makes not admit the constitutionality of The Organic law. They have couped the res publica in all but name…no, nevermind…they’ve levelled through with that, “The Country of origin”.
yes. And, we all cognize that not all of the terrorists have bedeviled on their heads. (regretful for the shred mention…)
OT, with apologias.
There’s a big broo-haha in Beserkeley all over the Metropolis Council’s vote to announce the military enlisting office not grata. As a powerfully anti-war component, I nonetheless fall out to take issue with the insurance policy. Nowadays it’s sour into an interior narration. To salve time, we could have only jabbed ourselves in the collective oculus with a crisp control stick.
So today punaisette (high school freshman) enquires me to name the attending office to pardon her from good afternoon family in order to go to the Codification Pink presentations crossways the street. Picked up up in the free energy of the minute.
Anyhow, it’s a full acquisition experience. Something to speak about about the dinner party table tonight.
I do not have the expertness to explicate this, but The Virgin from Emptywheels thread has the postdating comment:
It may not be a victor, but there needs to be a taxpayer standing up suit registered. Really - from a theoretic stand, it SHOULD be a victor, but with these Book of Judges and the tough story on taxpayer standing up suits, it wo not be. Still, Congress has pretty a great deal moved to disfranchise the bench and break breakup of powerfulness and to reverse the patent and simple intending of the fourth amendment by affording amnesty for infringement by federal players (the telecommunications moving as federal official gov brokers under color of law from the AG “administrative stock warrants”) of the Fourth Amendment.
Given, if it’s no a faith/educational activity suit, they typically get nowhere, but this is pretty atypical doings - Congress quest to put out de facto pardons for infractions of the Constituion AND quest to promote and solict corps in the future to likewise act as govt factors to go against the Organic law, whenever the chance avails.
A possibleness?
“If USA votes extinct its exemptions, the terr’ists win.”
No, I conceive you have it rearward.
Retrieve: the terrorists hate us because we are free. Ergo, if we cease to be free, they wo not hate us any longer. Et voila, no more war.
In short, Jell is the one of the few Democrat who is really termination the warfare, as we inquired. That you all are being so unthankful is repelling.
The Democrat plucked Thomas Reid as loss leader. They hold him their, undisputed. He must be making what they want him to do.
As tenacious as withdrew NBA participants are being referred, today is Charged Russell’s 74th natal day.
So today punaisette (high school freshman) inquires me to name the attending office to pardon her from good afternoon category in order to go to the Codification Pink presentments crosswise the street.
Sign of a full raising? Full for her.
If the constitution is no tenacious valid and all federal authorization is grounded on the constitution. Then makes the federal regime in fact have say?
jeeze…lots of of us are still racking to struggle the ATT ’slamming’ practices- the cozenage where a land line retentive length supplier was illicitly switched over to ATT.
…I’d like to employ for retro immunity please, for anything.
Cool!
Pink!
yea. LOL
Makes ya wanna run extinct and DO SOMETHING illegal, makes not it????
j/k
Very kool impeachment…go Conyers…go Code Pink!!! Cheery ideas.
Hey punaise!
Quebecois! - quoi de neuf?
Not a good deal, seeming at shreds of the constitution bing adrift in the current of air…
entropyjones Feb 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pm 169
If the constitution is no recollective valid and all federal potency is founded on the constitution. Then makes the federal authorities in fact have authorisation?
Interesting…would not it occupy a constitutional amendment to take away rights as the fourth amendment renders us?
what’s the item of sign language anything any longer? It makes not help and the Dems cave every clip. I consider its time everyone simply pack up and go home and turn the state all over to Shrub and Cheney. It makes no full to name, sign a postulation or get the tidings extinct. Shrub&Cheney are travelling to get certain something ruinous goes on to this nation so that they can debar the 2008 elections, or if not, elections will be rigged so that a Republican corset in powerfulness. Please do not bury, Romney only debarred his election, he made not retreat. And we can all bury about impeachment, it will never occur, to a fault close to the elections. It would cost the Democrat in a heartfelt way. It should have been the first order of business organisation in Jan 2007. Pelosi used up care of that. As a thing of fact, the Dems in the Business firm and US Senate should simply all go home. Your tepid endeavours are useless.
What a lamentable twenty for USA.
FISA is not a constitutional amendment?
But the remark was not about Shrub, but an AG in a subsequent disposal who would challenge the law in Court, was not it.
Nope, a law.
I conceive if this was the Republican alternatively of the Democrat delivery the measure to the league, the Reconstruct Act being the measure that comes up extinct would have been a through with trade earlier Chivy Thomas Reid even beginned negociating with McConnell all over vote counts on the amendments. Let McConnell and Shrub get their fashion and then poke them in the oculus merely when they believe they’re in the clear. Is it but me? Unhappily I fear that the Democratic leading in all likelihood never even viewed it.
Woulda been decent to realize though…
you have my vote,support and money. this makes a muckle of sense to me,
I do not cognise why anything surprises me any longer, but this one genuinely shocks me. There genuinely is no excuse for this. !